Comments on: No esta firmado ni fechado http://ntschutta.com/jat/2005/10/26/no-esta-firmado-ni-fechado/ Just A Thought...on Ajax, usability, software development and anything else that catches my fancy. Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:04:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.1 By: ntschutta.com » Blog Archive » The Art In Programming http://ntschutta.com/jat/2005/10/26/no-esta-firmado-ni-fechado/#comment-267 ntschutta.com » Blog Archive » The Art In Programming Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:53:20 +0000 http://ntschutta.com/jat/2005/10/26/no-esta-firmado-ni-fechado/#comment-267 [...] If you’ve read my blog for any length of time, you’ve probably seen me reference (here and here) The Art in Computer Programming by Andy Hunt and Dave Thomas. I first encountered this piece last year when Dave gave a fantastic keynote at NFJS so when I saw this post on Andy’s blog last week I had to point to it. DeveloperDotStar has taken their work and added links to the art mentioned throughout - it’s almost as good as seeing Andy or Dave present live…almost! [...] […] If you’ve read my blog for any length of time, you’ve probably seen me reference (here and here) The Art in Computer Programming by Andy Hunt and Dave Thomas. I first encountered this piece last year when Dave gave a fantastic keynote at NFJS so when I saw this post on Andy’s blog last week I had to point to it. DeveloperDotStar has taken their work and added links to the art mentioned throughout - it’s almost as good as seeing Andy or Dave present live…almost! […]

]]> By: Nate http://ntschutta.com/jat/2005/10/26/no-esta-firmado-ni-fechado/#comment-41 Nate Fri, 18 Nov 2005 01:02:29 +0000 http://ntschutta.com/jat/2005/10/26/no-esta-firmado-ni-fechado/#comment-41 Andy - thanks for commenting! College degrees are still the norm in our industry and likely will be for the foreseeable future. At SJU I worked in our IT department with some people with two year degrees and some of them just couldn't fathom why I would spend so much time and money on a four year degree. At the end of the day, we could both do *that* job - but when it comes time to change, to learn something new, the four year degree kicks in. We've come to think that college = job and that's not the point. You are learning how to learn and that will serve you well. I hate to admit it, it doesn't stop when you graduate. The delivery mechanism changes though - instead of spending 4 (or 6!) years learning something, you'll take a week here, a few days there. You'll also find that YOU become a lot more responsible for your education. Even in college, a lot of what we take is prescribed for us. In the coming years, you'll learn from books, magazines, presentations - that kind of stuff. You'll find a lot of "life" is ad hoc learning. Enjoy the process, don't fear it! Don't knock theory too much - yes a lot of what you've been subjected to isn't "useful" but it sneaks in - you don't even realize that foo class is helpful. Andy - thanks for commenting! College degrees are still the norm in our industry and likely will be for the foreseeable future. At SJU I worked in our IT department with some people with two year degrees and some of them just couldn’t fathom why I would spend so much time and money on a four year degree. At the end of the day, we could both do *that* job - but when it comes time to change, to learn something new, the four year degree kicks in.

We’ve come to think that college = job and that’s not the point. You are learning how to learn and that will serve you well. I hate to admit it, it doesn’t stop when you graduate. The delivery mechanism changes though - instead of spending 4 (or 6!) years learning something, you’ll take a week here, a few days there. You’ll also find that YOU become a lot more responsible for your education. Even in college, a lot of what we take is prescribed for us. In the coming years, you’ll learn from books, magazines, presentations - that kind of stuff. You’ll find a lot of “life” is ad hoc learning. Enjoy the process, don’t fear it!

Don’t knock theory too much - yes a lot of what you’ve been subjected to isn’t “useful” but it sneaks in - you don’t even realize that foo class is helpful.

]]> By: Andy Atkinson http://ntschutta.com/jat/2005/10/26/no-esta-firmado-ni-fechado/#comment-40 Andy Atkinson Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:07:36 +0000 http://ntschutta.com/jat/2005/10/26/no-esta-firmado-ni-fechado/#comment-40 I agree with a lot of what you said, based on my experience as a [6th-year] college senior and intern. Another reason that 4-year degree is necessary is to land you a good internship. I don't think any established for-profit business would look at a young person without a 4-year technical degree, to compensate for the lack of experience. This part has me scared though: > For those new grads out there - if you think getting your degree is the end of your education, I hate to be the one that rains on your parade but you are just getting started. But I think that if you truly are interested in programming/IT, whatever (for example), then the type of learning you do post-graduation will seem relevant and will be more exciting (and thus easier to digest) than the theoretical stuff students are subjected to at Universities. I agree with a lot of what you said, based on my experience as a [6th-year] college senior and intern. Another reason that 4-year degree is necessary is to land you a good internship. I don’t think any established for-profit business would look at a young person without a 4-year technical degree, to compensate for the lack of experience. This part has me scared though:

> For those new grads out there - if you think getting your degree is the end of your education, I hate to be the one that rains on your parade but you are just getting started.

But I think that if you truly are interested in programming/IT, whatever (for example), then the type of learning you do post-graduation will seem relevant and will be more exciting (and thus easier to digest) than the theoretical stuff students are subjected to at Universities.

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